Notes of meeting – January 2017

Thanks to everyone who attended our meeting in central Croydon on Monday 16 January, 2017.


Notices and notes of meeting

The notices of meeting were posted up after the meeting.  Find them here.








The notes of meeting were agreed with those attending before posting.  

You can access them here: notes-of-meeting-16_01_2017-final-issued

20mph consultation query
Councillor Maggie Mansell received a prompt response to the query on  the 20mph consultation in areas 3, 4 and 5 from Cllr Stuart King, as follows:

“The consultation formally started 18 Jan, but we started delivering leaflets from 13 Jan to ensure most if not all were delivered in time for the consultation opening on 18 Jan.  This was communicated to all councillors by email on Friday 13 January.
Any comments submitted up to and including 15 Feb will be accepted as part of the consultation process, including any submitted in the days immediately prior to 18 January.
Hope this clarifies and reassures.”
SNARL and cat killer information and flyers
You can find these here.

As with all our meetings, if you have any feedback on this meeting or our activities we’d welcome hearing from you.

Next public meeting

The next meeting is scheduled for Monday 6 February 2017.  This will be on the general subject of 20mph and the current consultation. See full details here.

Please watch our website for details of this and future meetings, and book a free place via Eventbrite at 

You can email us at

We’d appreciate it if you would help spread the word about our meetings.

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Catch the cat killer – info, reward for info and what you can do to help

When the injuries and killings of cats originally came to light through the work of SNARL, much of the activity appeared to relate to the Croydon and M25 area. Since then, more reports have come in, both new and historic, including rabbits and foxes as well as cats.

What can you do?

  • Please help by spreading the word so more people are aware.
  • Keep small animals in wherever possible, and ensure cats are called in and kept in at night.


  • REPORT anything suspicious to SNARL and to the Police. It is vital that the evidence is preserved.
  • And if you see anyone with a bladed instrument or suspect that a crime is in progress, please call 999.


The following advice is given by SNARL, the South Norwood Animal Rescue and Liberty group, who have campaigned hard to get the information out and to get the police to take action. Screen Shot 2016-01-28 at 17.25.07

Please read and share.

If you hear about any further domestic or wild animals been injured or found dead with the following:
Slashed neck/ decapitation and/or
Slashed belly and/or
Organs removed and/or
Pelvis removed and/or
Tail removed and/or
Leg/tail removed and/or
Any other injury which looks like it is a knife wound

1. Ask the person to contact SNARL on 07957 830 490 or mobile 07961 030064 immediately

2. Report the finding to the police either by calling 999 if they are at the scene or 101 if it is some time since they saw/ found the body/ parts.

It is ABSOLUTELY VITAL that the body/parts are safeguarded and SNARL will come out, even if it is after hours to collect any body or body parts for examination by the vet working on this case.

If the animal is still alive please take him or her straight to the vet for treatment and call us as soon as you can afterwards.

If you see anyone behaving suspiciously, particularly if they are carrying a knife or bladed weapon, please call 999 (this advice comes directly from the police) immediately.

Follow SNARL

on Facebook: South Norwood Animal Rescue and Liberty – SNARL

and on Twitter at @SNARLLondon

Keep an eye on their website for information and ways to support their work. Find it at


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PETA and Outpaced are also offering a reward totally £10,000 for information that leads to a conviction. Download a poster, like the one below, here: 10k-reward-poster


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Is 20 plenty for Croydon? Arguments AGAINST 20mph

Is 20 plenty?

20mph has been introduced on the majority of Croydon roads in areas 1 and 2. The Council are now consulting on areas 3, 4 and 5. For full details, see the Council’s website.
If you are anti 20mph, why not add your view as a comment to this post?

Is 20 plenty for Croydon? Arguments FOR 20mph

Is 20 plenty?

20mph has been introduced on the majority of Croydon roads in areas 1 and 2. The Council are now consulting on areas 3, 4 and 5. For full details, see the Council’s website.
Arguments for 20mph can be found at:
If you are pro 20mph, why not add your view as a comment to this post?

Join us for CCC Public Meeting on 20 mph in Croydon – Mon 6 February 2017

Please join us for our public meeting in the hall to the rear of:

St. Michael and All Angels with St. James
Poplar Walk

Enter via the gate to the left of the Church.

Please book a free place to attend.

St Michael front

This meeting is on the current 20mph consultation which opened on 18 January and runs until 15 February 2017.  See full details of the Croydon Council website.

The cabinet member, Cllr Stuart King, and the Shadow Cabinet member, Cllr Sara Bashford, are attending to speak and to answer questions.

The Council Officer overseeing the consultation, Mr Waheed Alam, has provided copies of leaflets for the meeting and has offered to provide answers to questions raised.

If you have a question to raise about the introduction of 20mph, why not add a comment to this post and we’ll endeavour to get an answer? Don’t forget to check the Council’s FAQs first which you can download here: 20mph FAQs

If you already live in an area where 20mph has been introduced, why not come along and share your experiences?

If you have a view, either FOR or AGAINST 20mph, why not share your views by posting a comment on the posts on our website? Just click the links above.


IMG_7835There will be general local information on display on the night and copies to take away.


Our meetings are open to all and are strictly apolitical.


Doors open at 7pm, when tea and coffee will be available and you’ll have the chance to meet others attending.

The meeting will start between 7.20 and 7.30pm, depending on how quickly we can register people, so please prebook a place via Eventbrite to assist with this.

There will be brief introductions and notices to start before we open up to discuss the topic.

We will aim to finish around 8.45pm to allow those attending to speak informally, to clear up, and for us to vacate the venue by 9pm. 


Please book a free place on Eventbrite here:

If you prefer you can email us at and we can book for you, but it really helps if you can use Eventbrite!

Getting there:
There is no general parking available at this venue, but its central location on good transport links should make it accessible to all. We may be able to cater for blue badge holders, so please get in touch well ahead of the event if this affects you.

The hall is to the rear of the Church, accessed through the gate in the fencing to the left of the main Church entrance.

And feel free to add your questions and comments to the posts in the links above ahead of the event.

You can also join our mailing list to get an invitation to our events and occasional updates via email by emailing with your name and Add me in the subject line.



1. How will 20mph be enforced, especially in small side roads which folk may use as a ‘rat run’?

2. Why not have 20mph limit across Farthing Down where people often speed? This would add extra safety for the cattle, when they are there, and generally enhance the environment of the area.

3. If the majority of road traffic accidents occur on main roads why not prioritise these for speed reduction first rather than the roads proposed, where there are fewer or no road traffic accidents?

4. Can and will the police enforce 20mph speed limits?

5. Will the introduction of 20mph zones have any effect on the speed at which emergency vehicles can travel?

6. Why was the policy imposed in north Croydon when only 2% of the population felt it important enough to vote on?

7. What level of objection would have an effect on the proposed scheme?

8.  Why was Smitham Downs Road included – it is a B road and is wide, not very busy, has no schools and not dangerous in my opinion?

9.  If the scheme includes Pampisford Road, this will drive all the traffic onto the Brighton Road, which doesn’t seem sensible.

10.  Shouldn’t Chaldon Way/Mead Way stay at 30 as again they are both wide, with little traffic and very few parked cars, and are bus routes?

11.  How will objections be counted ( e.g.per number of signatories, per number of objections listed, per individual objections logged as separate objections) and will they be weighted in any way ( e.g objection from Residents Association, household, individual?)

The following questions were also received, posted as a comment below, summarised as follows:

12. Where is the road-by-road analysis of speeds and accidents?

13. Why is the Council denying people a YES / NO vote?

14. Why is the Council treating Areas 3, 4 and 5 differently to Areas 1 and 2?  Areas 1 and 2 were given a YES / NO vote, and a commitment that a NO would mean the scheme was dropped.

14a. Isn’t this difference unfair and discriminatory?

15. How will the council ensure that its 20mph proposals do not cause major enforcement issues?

16. Why has the council imposed this complicated and confusing “consultation process, with hundreds of roads in each area to consider?

17. How has the council ensured that everyone who is affected is made aware of the proposal and how to respond, including all those who drive in Croydon?

18. Given the scale and complexity of the change proposed, will the Council agree to hold a Public Inquiry before going ahead with its 20mph downgrade scheme?

19. Will the Council consider 25mph limits, and also variable 30 / 20 limits outside schools and colleges, as an alternative to its 20mph scheme?

20. How will the Council comply with government guidance that says community support is an essential element of a successful 20mph scheme?

21. Why has the council used so few street notices, and ones that are very hard to spot, and to read? Large notices were displayed in Areas 1 and 2.

22. Will the Council accept that the TMAC procedure with only 2 minutes between all objectors, is wholly inadequate for this huge 20mph scheme?

23. It is my opinion that driving for long periods at 20mph is frustrating and makes concentration difficult. What proper community impact assessment has the council performed, notably on the negative impact on drivers?

24. Emergency service vehicles need to overtake other traffic. With speed limits reduced from 30mph to a maximum 20mph there will be many more vehicles to overtake on emergency calls.  How much delay to emergency services has the council assessed to be a price worth paying for its almost all roads downgrade to 20mph scheme?

Croydon Debate Club – Policing in Croydon – challenges and choices- 22 Feb 2017



The organiser writes,

“The aim of the Croydon Debate Club is to promote a constructive dialogue on issues specific to Croydon. The emphasis will be on understanding the issue and the options that there are to address it.”

You can just turn up but it helpful if you can book a place on Eventbrite.

If you have any questions or would like to propose a topic for a future meeting, just email

And keep your eyes peeled for future events.

Twitter at @CronxDebateClub

Upper Norwood policing update – January 2017

Here’s the monthly local policing digest for Upper Norwood.

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Produced by:

Upper Norwood Safer Neighbourhoods Team
Email –
Tel – 020 8721 2478
Twitter:  was @MPSUpperNorwood but now at @MPSNorwood

Download a copy here: Upper Norwood – January 2017